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Steel Brow
28. jan. kl. 10:00
WHY IS w00tguy doesnt make serious walkthroughs server???
The w00tguy is hosting the biggest co-op server in Half-life, with custom maps and stuff. It is innovative and feature-rich and it puts the whole of Sven co-op to shame. The problem is that the tempo of gameplay there... Its too often just crowd of guys running forward, bulldozing all enemies and dying repeatedly, they dont even care. Its as simple as that. The max players is 32. 3. 2. Wtf is this? They have no sence of space and will keep blocking you and getting in the way and griefing. You may want to go on the front, but you cant, because the guys behind you will not give way and you will not be able to swing back into cover!! And they will take your supplies and ammo and waste it by dying. Admin doesnt want to punish this. Mind that a big portion of custom maps are ports from singleplayer mods, meant to be completed by a one player. And with over-crowded server it gets really lame and its just farcical.
Playing these singleplayer campaigns in co-op, the proper way, would be great. For the better or worse - the w00tguy server is the standrad-setting server for half life co-op. Thats how he makes for legacy of goldsource and mod content? - by promoting trash-playing and what is basycally a troll server?
I demanded that he makes a serious walkthroughs server, but he doesnt want to. He sais he is too busy with the current server, and wants to "finish" that server first, I dont know what it means. I think he is just uninterested. Why didnt he just say clearly - "I am uninterested. We dont need serious walkthroughs.". Because he would sound like a stupid? I think yes.
It doesnt require much to make a serious server. The one biggest thing that matters is to make low max-players. 5-8 max players. Its as simple as splitting the slots of a current server into a separate server, it is called "server-cluster", no need for a new host or anything. Or maybe he absolutely NEEDS 32 max players on one server, I dont know.
Just make a copy of the current server with, increasing respawn times, even as little as 10 seconds would make a big difference. In every other way it could be identical to the current server, including the same map library. Even if it sometimes includes troll-maps, it doesnt matter that much. But he is too busy, the work-bee.
Also, it would be helpful if tankyness of enemies is at least slightly increased. I mean, currently, its not even as high as in single-player Half-life, how's that? Maybe not increase as much as to in Sven co-op, but still. Maybe in Sven it is annoying and lame, but understand that although crude, it is a very effective solution against the lemming-charging behavior we see on w00tguy's. You dont have that in Sven.
So, I do not understand what is w00tguy's problem. He does not give out contact information, he does not accept friend requests. He didnt want to talk to me properly, I had to talk to him in-game. Wtf is this? What is, then, his plan for receiving complaints and orders? The most nasty thing is - that I feel, he actually understands the merit of serious walkthroughs. I am shure that he HAS THESE walkthroughs PRIVATELY with his friends, when he tests the maps for example!! But he doesnt want to work to make this experience for the public, how is that?
Tbh it feels like he is the second Adambean (aka Adam Piss), who ruined Sven and does whatever he wants. Another waste?
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love it-kill it. only 5% get it
28. jan. kl. 12:13 
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Steel Brow
29. jan. kl. 10:27 
And where are answers? Does everyone agree, then? Expressing some support would be nice.
#2
SlasH
29. jan. kl. 10:34 
Ugly text wall :steambored:
#3
Luke
31. jan. kl. 15:55 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Steel Brow:
And where are answers? Does everyone agree, then? Expressing some support would be nice.
XD
#4
Ikagura
31. jan. kl. 17:44 
Who is this person?
#5
Foxpup
31. jan. kl. 22:16 
I hear you. Personally I think the biggest problem is that w00tguy is just too lenient with intentional griefers. But there's still the question of what to do about players so unskilled that they are actively detrimental to the team's survival.
#6
Ikagura
1. feb. kl. 1:26 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Foxpup:
I hear you. Personally I think the biggest problem is that w00tguy is just too lenient with intentional griefers. But there's still the question of what to do about players so unskilled that they are actively detrimental to the team's survival.
You can setup your own server if you'd like to have a more "serious" coop playthrough.

Also I'd say that less skilled players will always happen, I don't think gatekeeping them would be the right choice.
Sidst redigeret af Ikagura; 1. feb. kl. 1:26
#7
Buddy Bizarre
1. feb. kl. 3:01 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Steel Brow:
The w00tguy is hosting the biggest co-op server in Half-life, with custom maps and stuff. It is innovative and feature-rich and it puts the whole of Sven co-op to shame. The problem is that the tempo of gameplay there... Its too often just crowd of guys running forward, bulldozing all enemies and dying repeatedly, they dont even care. Its as simple as that. The max players is 32. 3. 2. Wtf is this? They have no sence of space and will keep blocking you and getting in the way and griefing. You may want to go on the front, but you cant, because the guys behind you will not give way and you will not be able to swing back into cover!! And they will take your supplies and ammo and waste it by dying. Admin doesnt want to punish this. Mind that a big portion of custom maps are ports from singleplayer mods, meant to be completed by a one player. And with over-crowded server it gets really lame and its just farcical.
Playing these singleplayer campaigns in co-op, the proper way, would be great. For the better or worse - the w00tguy server is the standrad-setting server for half life co-op. Thats how he makes for legacy of goldsource and mod content? - by promoting trash-playing and what is basycally a troll server?
I demanded that he makes a serious walkthroughs server, but he doesnt want to. He sais he is too busy with the current server, and wants to "finish" that server first, I dont know what it means. I think he is just uninterested. Why didnt he just say clearly - "I am uninterested. We dont need serious walkthroughs.". Because he would sound like a stupid? I think yes.
It doesnt require much to make a serious server. The one biggest thing that matters is to make low max-players. 5-8 max players. Its as simple as splitting the slots of a current server into a separate server, it is called "server-cluster", no need for a new host or anything. Or maybe he absolutely NEEDS 32 max players on one server, I dont know.
Just make a copy of the current server with, increasing respawn times, even as little as 10 seconds would make a big difference. In every other way it could be identical to the current server, including the same map library. Even if it sometimes includes troll-maps, it doesnt matter that much. But he is too busy, the work-bee.
Also, it would be helpful if tankyness of enemies is at least slightly increased. I mean, currently, its not even as high as in single-player Half-life, how's that? Maybe not increase as much as to in Sven co-op, but still. Maybe in Sven it is annoying and lame, but understand that although crude, it is a very effective solution against the lemming-charging behavior we see on w00tguy's. You dont have that in Sven.
So, I do not understand what is w00tguy's problem. He does not give out contact information, he does not accept friend requests. He didnt want to talk to me properly, I had to talk to him in-game. Wtf is this? What is, then, his plan for receiving complaints and orders? The most nasty thing is - that I feel, he actually understands the merit of serious walkthroughs. I am shure that he HAS THESE walkthroughs PRIVATELY with his friends, when he tests the maps for example!! But he doesnt want to work to make this experience for the public, how is that?
Tbh it feels like he is the second Adambean (aka Adam Piss), who ruined Sven and does whatever he wants. Another waste?

Holy incoherent and lack of decent formatting Batman!
Sidst redigeret af Buddy Bizarre; 1. feb. kl. 3:02
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Steel Brow
1. feb. kl. 5:30 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Ikagura:
less skilled players
Worrying about yourself there?
Actually, I absolutely do want to gatekeep. Forcing order is about what people you get rid of. What people you exclude, and what people you promote. Thats how you stop anti-cooperative behavior. Instead, consider what kind of people w00tguy promotes. Maybe he promotes people like me, who want to play seriously? No? I think no.
But, in my OP I have not even mentioned any action against griefers, or, especially, "unskilled players". This is because I believe that problem would solve itself, and its a fake problem. In the serious walkthroughs, by its very nature, you will not have success if you are being inadequate, and you suffer consequences for your mistakes and lack of combat know-how. My experience from other games is that such people have no interest in playing it, they quickly loose patience and leave.
And also, "unskilled players" is a fake category, apart from you describing yourself. If someone bad persistently keeps playing on serious walkthroughs, and it was clearly signalled by the server name and chat broadcasts that walkthroughs are serious, and he keeps for example stacking you up and blocking you and causes you to be crushed by a door because of this, its not noobism, its just griefing. Your concern for bad players is fake nuance.
#9
Ikagura
2. feb. kl. 1:25 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Steel Brow:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Ikagura:
less skilled players
Worrying about yourself there?
I'm not talking about me whatsoever, just about players in general. Not everyone has started this game back at the release.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Steel Brow:
Actually, I absolutely do want to gatekeep.
And this is how a community barely has anyone playing because of how stricts things can get.
#10
Steel Brow
2. feb. kl. 6:18 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Ikagura:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Steel Brow:
Worrying about yourself there?
I'm not talking about me whatsoever, just about players in general. Not everyone has started this game back at the release.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Steel Brow:
Actually, I absolutely do want to gatekeep.
And this is how a community barely has anyone playing because of how stricts things can get.
I dont know what are you talking about. How strict can things get, tell us please. I for example dont know, I have never seen such a thing in any game. What I have seen instead - a recurring theme being games degenerating into sillyness and becoming appeal only as a troll-game.
Serious walkthroughs would be such a unique and meaningful thing, I am confident that a lot of people would love to play there. Also, what do you care, unskilled player? Serious walkthroughs was never meant to be a replacement for the main server, or appeal to you. I have only requested to give up like 5 slots for this. Let it be always empty for all you care. Just like the dumb-founded "high difficulty" half-life server w00tguy is already hosting (also 32 slots). It strongly looks like he has so much slots to spare that doesnt know what to do with them. WHERE is my serious walkthroughs server??
And, about "started game back at release"... If you cant handle serious walkthroughs, its because you suck. Not because you dont have enough hours or something stupid like that. Its just your cope. I said dont block, dont grief. Do you also bump into people in real life? I think you would. Maybe you need thousands of hours for that, I dont know. Its because you are bad and you dont understand combat. Playing since release, what does it has to do with anything? I dont play since release. There are other bad games where really there is a lot of manufactured complexity and nonsensical game-specific nuances, for example in dota you have to understand, like, stats, and item effects and stuff. Half life is not like that.
#11
1984
3. feb. kl. 10:12 
I would just play Brutal Half Life instead of this.
#12
sling_shot
4. feb. kl. 11:09 
Here I thought GTARP people took the game way too seriously
#13
Ikagura
5. feb. kl. 8:40 
Oprindeligt skrevet af sling_shot:
Here I thought GTARP people took the game way too seriously
I think so...

Half Life isn't really made with Coop in mind.
#14
Джунк
24. feb. kl. 10:40 
w00tguy создал лучший сервер для натуралов, не нравится думать - не играй, мешают игроки? ну чувак это же и есть кооператив в этом его фишка он не может быть удобный для всех желаний каждого игрока, w00t нашел приемлемый баланс с щипоткой современности давая разнообразие на фоне серверов с dedmatch и уже всем надоевшим crossfire почему бы тебе просто не играть в одиночный режим в майнкрафте? (heh) то что сделал w00t должны были сделать valve вместо позорного sven copro но увы время летит только вперёд, надо масштабировать подход w00t к его делу а не грузить его разными своими желаниями только потому что тебе не нравится поведения людей в кооперативе, он и так достаточно прислушивается к игрокам: звуки добавляет, делает исправления ошибок и ему за это никто не платит а ты на это ещё и жалуешься, так почему бы тебе не научится програмированию и не попробовать создать что то более лучше, ну или так как считаешь правильным? :2016watermelon: p.s: это единственный сервер который заставляет меня заходить в игру, там 1к maps + 70% ты не помнишь и проходишт будто заново в этом и есть интерес и судя по игрокам с которыми я уже 2 года там играю у них происходит тоже самое и все хотит пройти до конца хоть это и фейковое ощущение чего то нового но оно работает, и это хорошо.:steamthumbsup:
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